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Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - NicoleMayCanaday - 07-21-2010
http://android.cbsnews.com/site?t=LedUOuf8.tyx52uWUZdWHQ&sid=cbsnews_ip
The Catholic Church has always believed in the idea of demonic possession -- of the fight, within the individual, between good and evil, says CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips . The ancient ritual of trying to drive evil spirits formtortured souls was dramatically portrayed by Hollywood in "The Exorcist." The Church, Phillips points out, would rather such graphic religious experiences took place privately. When one Archbishop, Emanuel Malingo, began holding increasingly popular public exorcisms, the Vatican made him stop. The exorcism scenes weren't pretty, Phillips observes. There is evidence, though, that the practice of exorcism is experiencing a revival, according to the Washington Post. Particularly, says Phillips, among the faithful in Poland, so many of whom came to Rome to mourn the death of Pope John Paul II. Demand for exorcism has apparently risen so high, 70 priests now perform the rite there, double the number of five years ago. And the Church is planning a dedicated exorcism center. Some blame the demand on the residue of the communist years. Father Jerome Hall, of the Washington Theological Union, says, "Once the oppressive regime falls, there's still a residue of pain, of betrayal, of anxiety, of evil. ... Some people who grew up in Eastern Europe would say, 'That's no wonder.' " But numbers are said to be up elsewhere, as well, reports Phillips. In Italy, 350 trained exorcists are now working. There were only 20 ten years ago. Italian exorcist Father Gabriele Nanni says, "For the sinners, who want to conquer entities or the devil himself, for them, the situation is very dangerous." Even in the United States, Phillips notes, one-in-ten Catholics, according to a recent survey, now says they've either submitted to or witnessed an exorcism. For many, it seems, the ancient battle between good and evil continues today, Phillips concludes. What's behind the apparent rise in exorcisms? Father Thomas Williams, Dean of Theology at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University in Rome and a CBS News religion consultant, told co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez on The Early Show Tuesday, "There may be two reasons. One is that there's increased interest in the occult, even in Satanism. Where I live in Italy, Satanic worship is actually on the rise. And this is true in a lot of places in Europe. And the second reason I think is because people are less careful. Honestly, they maybe pray less. They play around with things they shouldn't play with, and then they get into trouble. ... Anyone can be possessed, but I think you really have to open yourself up to it. You have to be un-careful. And I think the spiritual demons, or bad angels, do exist, and I think it's an extreme thing, but it happens sometimes. How do you know that the person is possessed, and you're not just dealing with a psychological problem? "Well," Williams responded, "that's the biggest challenge we have. Because obviously, many things that in the past that were considered demonic possession or demonic influence were really just diseases or psychological problems. So, priests work closely with psychologists to try to ascertain the real nature of the pathology or of the problem before performing an exorcism. But prayer never hurts. So if you're just praying for a person, you're not gonna do them any damage." There are specific signs that a person is possessed, Williams continued; "Three typical signs are speaking strange languages, a language a person's never had any access to whatsoever, and they just become fluent in it. And often accompanied by a change of voice that doesn't even sound like the person. Another is knowledge of secret things. For example, saying things that the person has no way of knowing. And a third is superhuman strength, the ability to lift objects and move things." What's the process of exorcism like? Is it similar to what the movie portrayed? "Well, it's similar," Williams replied. "It's mostly based on prayer and reading of sacred scripture, but there are other things used like holy water, a crucifix, etc. It's a long process. It begins with simply praying over the person and asking the person to pray with you. Often, they won't; if there really is some sort of demonic presence there, they will not do that. It's a lot of prayer until there's some sort of manifestation on the part of the demon, if there is one.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - Red - 08-29-2010
People are becoming increasingly aware of the paranormal thanks to all the ghost hunting shows.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - NicoleMayCanaday - 08-29-2010
Hi Red! Welcome to TH
Sometimes I watch Ghost Adventures and Paranormal State, and it seems they deal with many demonic forces than ghosts.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - FreddysFingers - 08-29-2010
I don't necessarily believe in exorcisms. I barley believe in the existence of God. Spiritual demons, perhaps that is a little more believable but demons from Hell is another story. I'm sure a lot of exorcisms were just people who had some form of severe psychosis who believed that the Devil took over them.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - Fangenstein - 08-30-2010
FreddysFingers Wrote:I'm sure a lot of exorcisms were just people who had some form of severe psychosis who believed that the Devil took over them.
Tell that to Regan MacNeil.... Did you see that girls head spin???:chuckshmucky:
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - Fangenstein - 08-30-2010
I found this fascinating to read, and very creepy...
http://www.prairieghosts.com/exorcist.html
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - FreddysFingers - 08-30-2010
Fangenstein Wrote:Tell that to Regan MacNeil.... Did you see that girls head spin???:chuckshmucky:
Well, I'm talking about in reality. From what I read, there was no account of a girl's head doing a complete 360.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - Red - 08-30-2010
Thanks Nicole. I watch a lot of Paranormal State. They have started adding more of the dark stuff in. If you think about it Ghost Hunters have cornered the market on ghost hunting. People love the dark demon stuff. I know I do. Its all about the ratings. With that being said, I still love the show lol
The person that The Exorcist was based on was a young boy. Interesting story. St. Brigatta has a youtube documentary. If you google Lutheran Possessed boy I believe you can find it
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - Fangenstein - 09-01-2010
FreddysFingers Wrote:Well, I'm talking about in reality. From what I read, there was no account of a girl's head doing a complete 360.
But 'The Exorcist' is a real life documentary.... Didn't you know that?
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - FreddysFingers - 09-01-2010
Fangenstein Wrote:But 'The Exorcist' is a real life documentary.... Didn't you know that?
Well the movie was apparently based on a real possession case. I haven't seen the documentary that details it but I'm sure it's all based on hearsay so... we can't really believe that a girls head did a 360.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - Fangenstein - 09-01-2010
FreddysFingers Wrote:Well the movie was apparently based on a real possession case. I haven't seen the documentary that details it but I'm sure it's all based on hearsay so... we can't really believe that a girls head did a 360.
My ex girlfriends head did a 360 before.... She seen me walking down the street with another girl... Wanna see that head turn!!!
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - NicoleMayCanaday - 09-01-2010
Lol yes, I take those shows for what they are, pure entertainment value. Besides, zach gets on my nerves, he's such a macho douche. Even the clothing he wears is douchey. Now I'm being a girl, but I notice these things. Just wear a tshirt zach! It doesn't have to have skulls and crosses with wings and crap on it.
Red Wrote:Thanks Nicole. I watch a lot of Paranormal State. They have started adding more of the dark stuff in. If you think about it Ghost Hunters have cornered the market on ghost hunting. People love the dark demon stuff. I know I do. Its all about the ratings. With that being said, I still love the show lol
The person that The Exorcist was based on was a young boy. Interesting story. St. Brigatta has a youtube documentary. If you google Lutheran Possessed boy I believe you can find it
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - mrblue - 09-02-2010
I'm pretty sure if some chicks head turned around 360 degrees it would be a story everyone would know about and a depated topic for years to come.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - NicoleMayCanaday - 09-02-2010
Obviously that's hollywood theatrics for ya. If a person possessed had their head spin 360, in real life, it would kill them.
Would a possessed person spray green pea soup too? No, that's movie magic. Entertaining at best. Exorcisms are a lot less tame. Don't forget the rules of a possessed person:
*Fluent in foreign tongue ( sometimes accompanied by a different voice)
*Superhuman strength
*Knows secrets
That's not a psychological disorder listed in the DSM- IV. That's possession.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - FreddysFingers - 09-03-2010
It's been said several times that people can possess superhuman strength given a certain situation. I don't know what movie that said it but the example was, "if a mother sees her kids under a burning car, the shear thought of losing them could give her the strength to lift the car up just enough to have her kids crawl or even scurry out."
Foreign tongue could be attributed to anything like Schizophrenia. It's called a word salad or better known in religious terms tongues.
Knowing secrets could be repressed thoughts. The people of Salem thought their inhabitants were witches because they knew secrets as well as spells. Neither of which were true and the secrets were just assumptions that turned out to be true.
Exorcisms May Be On The Rise - FreddysFingers - 09-03-2010
It's been said several times that people can possess superhuman strength given a certain situation. I don't know what movie that said it but the example was, "if a mother sees her kids under a burning car, the shear thought of losing them could give her the strength to lift the car up just enough to have her kids crawl or even scurry out."
Foreign tongue could be attributed to anything like Schizophrenia. It's called a word salad or better known in religious terms tongues.
Knowing secrets could be repressed thoughts. The people of Salem thought their inhabitants were witches because they knew secrets as well as spells. Neither of which were true and the secrets were just assumptions that turned out to be true.