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HammerfanDo You Think There Are Too Many Teens Now In Horrors?
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Do you think there are too many sex-mad teenagers now in today's horror movies?

Personally, I definitely think that there are, and much prefer the older horror movies like the Hammer and Amicus ones.

I just cannot stand the way these teenagers in the horrors of today behave. They bonk repeatedly and swear and get drunk, and generally act like a bunch of despicable morons! Not only that, but most of the story lines of these teen slasher movies are usually the same (e.g. masked Jason-clone killer in woods etc.).
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Hammerfan Wrote:Do you think there are too many sex-mad teenagers now in today's horror movies?

[SIZE="3"]Do you watch any 1980s horror? They were pretty sex-mad back then to:freddysss:[/SIZE]
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For me, the problem isn't necessarily the teens in horror movies (as Evil Bong has already said, they were in there since the 80's) it's what has become of the teens. Todays horror movies have teens that are too flashy, glossy and trying to be emotional and connect with the audience. Back in the 80's, they were there to look good and die but today they want you to feel some kind of emotion towards them. I'm sorry, but when I watch the remake of F13, I don't give a fuck about his lost sister or whatever I want to see kills. The only horror movie, that relies on teens, that does a good job of emotional construct is MBV 3D.
"The conquest of fear lies in the moment of its acceptance. And understanding what scares us most is that which is most familiar, most common place"
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#4
I agree with Hammer whilst taking Freddy's observation into account, but disagree on another level entirely.

I think that the prominence of stock teenagers in horror films was a mostly benign thing in the 80s, which has grown worse over time. However, it's not because trying to make partying teenagers sympathetic is a bad thing (I'd argue it's a step in the right direction for horror, giving us characters we care about and fear for), it's because they ostensibly attempt at making the characters sympathetic, but in all reality they can't do it worth a shit.

There are about four levels of slasher movie character depth I care to get into; the nonexistent, the cliche, the pretentious, and the well-done. The "well-done" is good 99% of the time, so long as you care about and fear for the characters. The "nonexistent" is also OK; characterization in the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre was nonexistent, yet you could see the characters were human and thus still care about them.

The "cliche" is what popped up in the benign 80s, wherein characters were given about one defining mental trait. It's a step down, in my opinion, something that makes characters and consequentially plots dull. Still, it can allow you to root for the cultural-group you identify with (I root for nerds, which usually doesn't serve me well Tongue), and find at least some characters sympathetic. Most of the time, the cliche characters are at least distinct from one another.

Today's problem is that writers attempt to overexplain characters, but do so in half-assed ways that make them seem like unreal stockpiles of sympathy or disdain. The main girl, of course, will be the sacred cow with soooooooo many complexities in her life that are bioengineered to make target audiences identify with her; meanwhile, all the other important characters are given little personalities that define them as well, but it's basically just shit to try and explain to the target audience why they "had to die."
It verges on sickening.

It's pretentious, trying so hard to evoke sympathy or hatred in such artificial ways; I hate the word "pretentious" for how often it is used to dismiss art and analysis, but in this case it's very appropriate. Filmmakers create such characters with the pretense that copy-pasting actions to characters with no regard for real personality will still yield a purely sympathetic or downright hateable or dismissible figure. But it doesn't work; it just brings conscious viewers disconnect from the obvious unreality.

So in conclusion, the problem lies not inherently with teenage characters, it just so happens that they are the ones who mostly fall prey to such shit characterization. It's the pretentious mindset of demographic-oriented writers that makes the "bad teens" act as though their "immorality" is the all-encompassing representative of their personalities. The same mindset that piles all the "good" traits on to one character, often bordering on Mary Sue territory.

Note that in these cases the "good" character is clearly going to live, whereas the other characters are typically not even teased at surviving. Hardly any attempt is made to get the audience attached to the latter, nor is any good attempt made to get them to truly fear for the former. Compare to the other characterization styles...

Well-done: All characters are sympathetic, but tauntingly not "above harm."

Nonexistent: All characters are neutral, and in their neutrality sympathetic. Anyone can die.

Cliche: Some characters are more sympathetic than others, and more of less likely to survive. Yet, on the surface, morality is typically "neutral" and allows for sympathy even for those who are clearly gonna die.

...and the reason why characters in modern horror are so annoying becomes clear.
“The Fright Night remake is a film which taps into the audience’s deepest rooted fears, such as those of vampires throwing motorcycles at them. I dread the thought of a vampire throwing a refrigerator or a deskjet printer or... I’d better stop before I give myself nightmares”
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#5
Not enough shots of vagina.
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#6
Teens have been in horror for over 50 years but watch them as each generation of horror passes. From out to have fun maybe a little rebellion to now where it's open rebellion and everyone owes me something attitude.
“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”

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#7
Teens in general are more jaded and sophisticated than they were 20 years ago-and I cant blame them when I was in school in the 80's we only had to worry about AIDS and global thermonuclear war-now they have to go through metal detectors to get to class and still worry someone's gonna shoot up the place plus all the tests they take now to graduate-it's not enough to pass all your courses you have take additonal tests or you dont graduate and even if you do there's no jobs the economy sucks -I wouldnt want to be a kid today with all the pressure
Torture is only truly pleasurable when performed.....slowly----The Machine Girl
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[MENTION=179]Mr. Briggs Inc.[/MENTION] I think you explained the problem quite clearly. I think it's also interesting that you mentioned Texas Chainsaw Massacre because although the characters aren't given any depth, they are treated as real. That might be because of the direction AND the writing. However, in the remake, to me, they feel forced. Personally, and I think you mentioned this, I feel like the director and writers are trying to make me feel bad for the characters by feeding me stock personalties. What's strange is, there is no difference between the teens in TCM or the teens in MBV 3D, but somehow I feel endeared towards the teens in MBV 3D.
"The conquest of fear lies in the moment of its acceptance. And understanding what scares us most is that which is most familiar, most common place"
- Chris Carter

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Oldman Wrote:Teens have been in horror for over 50 years but watch them as each generation of horror passes. From out to have fun maybe a little rebellion to now where it's open rebellion and everyone owes me something attitude.

Back in the 50's, 60's and even 70's, teens had something to fight for especially in the 50's. They were rebelling against their overly-conservative parents and elders who viewed them as "the problem with society." They were set out to prove that they were adults as well as independent folks. In the 60's, you had the hippie movement, which is self explanatory. The 70's was sort of the decline and by the time the 80's came around, you had a whole new set of teens that opted for rebellion.

Today, teenagers have nothing to bitch or complain about because parents are too afraid to spank their kids out of fear of going to jail for child abuse.
"The conquest of fear lies in the moment of its acceptance. And understanding what scares us most is that which is most familiar, most common place"
- Chris Carter

Please check out my blog: The Paradise of Horror
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#10
I see that in real life too-I have an eight year old cousin in the 3rd grade who acts like we acted in the 7th and 8th grade-Im talking 1983-84 here-it's scary-I see her by the time she DOES even get to 6th grade knowing more about sex , drugs, rock and roll etc than any of my generation-which includes her parents -in say 8th grade-I dont notice that with my own daughter as she has Asperger's Syndrome(a form of autisic spectum disorder) and ADHD-which is why I mentioned my cousin and not my own daughter-the movies are reflecting real life and unfortunatly children/teens today are under so much pressure-at my freshman orientation last year all the talk about the Ohio Graduation tests that they have to pass all 7 parts BEFORE their senior year or they cant graduate with their class made ME as nervous as if I had to take it-and it doesnt apply to Shelby because she's a Title 9 there are different requirements though she is mainstreamed . And I also notice the jaded look in kids my daughter's age that you see in the movies -that's scary cause that's who's gonna inherit this mess in a few years
Torture is only truly pleasurable when performed.....slowly----The Machine Girl
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[COLOR="Lime"][SIZE="3"]Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you.

But on the flip side, you got to give it up to all of our young men and women who are in the military, especially with what has been going on in the past ten years. They are the finest of their generation.
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Evil Bong Wrote:[COLOR="Lime"][SIZE="3"]Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you.

But on the flip side, you got to give it up to all of our young men and women who are in the military, especially with what has been going on in the past ten years. They are the finest of their generation.
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Of course they are-there's something else they have to worry about-my daughter was just turning 6 when 9/11 happened that was the first time I had to try and explain evil to her (and again when she was 10 and a little girl just 10 miles from us was kidnapped raped and dumped out of a car) -they've grown up in the shadow of war and the threat of terrorism so that also has affected them-I know kids I watched grow up are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan now
Torture is only truly pleasurable when performed.....slowly----The Machine Girl
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