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For the guy named after a chemical that raised the Dead and then says one that keeps us awake after that is bad / Trioxin:

Red Bull in the "usual" or "normal" can is literally 80 MGs. I don't know anyone who actually drinks cans of Mountain Dew, because they cost just as much as a 20 oz bottle here, so normally, anyone around this area, would have more Caffeine from Mountain Dew.

I said 4 cups of Coffee was nothing, an from what was just posted, 6 cups is still fine.

300 MGs of Caffeine? In WHAT Energy Drink? Red Bull has 80 in a normal can, and the ones the size of a Monster or Rock Star are all 160 MGs.

I'd LOVE to hear which Energy drink has an average of 280 MGs of Caffeine per 8 ounces. I'm not kidding. Find one.

300 MGs is NOT the "Limit" unless you weigh about 100 pounds. If you are 100 pounds and never had Coffee or Chocolate in your life, then yes, that would possibly make you jittery.

When I go to a Coffee shop, I get anywhere from 7 - 10 shots of Espresso, no Milk or Cream, and then slam down a Monster BFC.

Espresso has less Caffeine than drip Coffee cup for cup. (I think you can find on Youtube the episode of "Good Eats" where this is broken down if you want to see what I mean).

Every time I've seen Caffeine listed and how much is safe, I've never seen anything under 500 MGs. That's quite a difference from your 300. I'd like to know where you found it.

By the way, you said even water isn't safe.... Lol, the Caffeine needed to kill someone my size, is so big that I'd probably die from drinking Water before it because Caffeine makes you piss.

100 Cups of Water for the average human, will Kill you. Your cells with be flooded, and then, your body would shut down. From this way of thinking, Water is just as bad for you as Coffee since you'd burn the shit out of your mouth trying to drink enough to kill you.

Also, no one in Louisiana has had their house ruined by a Coffee cup smashing into it. But I've seen a lot of Water flood through there.

And last, if I cared about my health, I'd stop smoking too. But doing that would risk someone else's health because I'd be a mess from Nicotine Withdrawals.

Redline has 300mg of caffeine per bottle

btw read my post on the previous page!!

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gore Wrote:For the guy named after a chemical that raised the Dead and then says one that keeps us awake after that is bad / Trioxin:

Red Bull in the "usual" or "normal" can is literally 80 MGs. I don't know anyone who actually drinks cans of Mountain Dew, because they cost just as much as a 20 oz bottle here, so normally, anyone around this area, would have more Caffeine from Mountain Dew.

I said 4 cups of Coffee was nothing, an from what was just posted, 6 cups is still fine.

300 MGs of Caffeine? In WHAT Energy Drink? Red Bull has 80 in a normal can, and the ones the size of a Monster or Rock Star are all 160 MGs.

I'd LOVE to hear which Energy drink has an average of 280 MGs of Caffeine per 8 ounces. I'm not kidding. Find one.

300 MGs is NOT the "Limit" unless you weigh about 100 pounds. If you are 100 pounds and never had Coffee or Chocolate in your life, then yes, that would possibly make you jittery.

When I go to a Coffee shop, I get anywhere from 7 - 10 shots of Espresso, no Milk or Cream, and then slam down a Monster BFC.

Espresso has less Caffeine than drip Coffee cup for cup. (I think you can find on Youtube the episode of "Good Eats" where this is broken down if you want to see what I mean).

Every time I've seen Caffeine listed and how much is safe, I've never seen anything under 500 MGs. That's quite a difference from your 300. I'd like to know where you found it.

By the way, you said even water isn't safe.... Lol, the Caffeine needed to kill someone my size, is so big that I'd probably die from drinking Water before it because Caffeine makes you piss.

100 Cups of Water for the average human, will Kill you. Your cells with be flooded, and then, your body would shut down. From this way of thinking, Water is just as bad for you as Coffee since you'd burn the shit out of your mouth trying to drink enough to kill you.

Also, no one in Louisiana has had their house ruined by a Coffee cup smashing into it. But I've seen a lot of Water flood through there.

And last, if I cared about my health, I'd stop smoking too. But doing that would risk someone else's health because I'd be a mess from Nicotine Withdrawals.

This is to the guy, who is giving health advice, but is 400lbs in his profile picture. (Don't get oversensitive. Just having some fun in a nice debate. No winner here, just good healthy debate).

I know you like posting sources, so I found a reputable one that backs up my claim of the safe limit being 300mg a day. And that consuming the upwards amounts of 500mg a day (as you said was the limit) can cause serious health affects, some from caffeine, including abnormal heart rhythms. That source is the Mayo Clinic. Look into it.

Wanna see an energy drink with 200+mg of caffeine? Go to Big Lots, and pick up one of their cheap energy drinks that come in the HUGE cans and have 4 servings per can, with over 50mg of caffeine per serving. I don't need to find it for you, go explore it.

And it's pretty tough to overdose on water, you literally almost have to be TRYING to. When I was training I would consume around 130oz of water in a 24 hour period, 7 days a week, and felt great. No harm whatsoever.

I'd still recommend natural energy over energy drinks any day. I remember drinking BAWLS back in the day, before this HUGE craze of Energy Drinks hit the streets when Red Bull blew up and it was suddenly the "in" thing to do.

Get some good clean carbs, fats, and protein in your system. You'll never need an energy drink again.

And Redline as in the Energy Shot? Didn't know it had that much caffeine. Will take note of that.

no, the bottle of Redline. also Spike Shooter, an 8.4oz can has 300mg of caffeine.

it is possible to get water intoxication, i read a story about a woman who died from it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/

and here's how much caffeine you need to die from caffeine intoxication:
http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine

but caffeine in moderation is good for you. i have a tolerance so i can take more. look over my speech i posted, i have ALOT of sources that say caffeine is good for you.




^ that.

I never said it wasn't possible to get water intoxication, but you pretty much have to be TRYING to drink massive amounts of water for whatever dumb reason. Your body is going to constantly tell you to stop and if you ignore it, bad things will happen. And caffeine is good for you, in moderation.


Alcohol is good for you in moderation as well, but if you overdo it, bad things happen.

Same goes for sunlight. It's good in moderation, but if you over do it you can get sunburn or even worse, sun poisoning, which I've had, and it's not fun.

Chocolate is also good for you in moderation.

Point is, many things out there are fine in moderation, but once you exceed that limit, it's bad for you, and caffeine is one of those. No argument. Fact. There is nothing in this world that you can completely gorge on and not experience at least minor side effects. NOTHING.

And thanks for bringing Red Line to my attention. That proves there are in fact energy drinks out there with 200+ mg of caffeine, so you asked me to find one, and you'd love it Gore, so go love that bottle of Red Line. In fact, you wanted to see one that had 280mg of caffeine, well, we just blew that out of the water with a whopping extra 20mg of caffeine. There's your bone, now fetch.

Trioxin149 Wrote:There is nothing in this world that you can completely gorge on and not experience at least minor side effects. NOTHING.

And thanks for bringing Red Line to my attention. That proves there are in fact energy drinks out there with 200+ mg of caffeine, so you asked me to find one, and you'd love it Gore, so go love that bottle of Red Line. In fact, you wanted to see one that had 280mg of caffeine, well, we just blew that out of the water with a whopping extra 20mg of caffeine. There's your bone, now fetch.

So what if you gorge on Pot? There is no way to humanly OD, and it also prevents some diseases.

And I didn't say "How do I find a drink with over 200 MGS?" I said to show me one of those "Average" Energy Drinks with that much Caffeine in it, and instead you said "Well if the can have 4 servings".... 4 Servings?

How is 4 Servings and 8 ounces as you said, 200 MGs? Why not just cut the "You look 400 pounds" shit and admit you're the only one who thinks what you do? Which is wrong.

I live near Detroit, I can't even FIND the drinks everyone here is posting. The "Most common Energy Drinks" I can find, are Monster, Rockstar, Full Throttle, Red Bull, No Fear, and once in a while Cocaine when the cans come around.

Jolt Cola isn't included because it was never intended as an Energy Drink, it's Hacker Beer. Any of the drinks I listed all have the same amount of Caffeine in them.

So, let's recap; First you said the average Energy Drink had 200+ MGS of Caffeine PER 8 OUNCES! Then you said the ones I should find to support your bullshit, were no name brand shit from Big Lots that have 4, FOUR Servings?

Nice try.

Spike Shooter, Redline, and Meltdown all have 300mg per 8.4 ounce bottle/can.




Chocolate is a natural antioxidant so yupp it's good for ya!

I've never seen any of those.... Like seriously, ever. That's why I called out the part "The average energy drink has 200 MGS per 8 ounces" because the average Energy Drink (Red Bull, Monster, Rock Star, No Fear and so on) doesn't. They have in smaller cans 80 MGs, and in the larger cans, 160 MGs. No where near 200 per 8 ounces.

The ones there, I've not ever come across, and didn't even know they existed. Which would make me think they aren't average, because I go Caffeine hunting sometimes to find new drinks all the time, and the MOST Caffeine I could find in an Energy DRINK (This means no Energy Shots, they aren't drinks) is Wired X- 344, which has 344 MGs.

Also, someone said 6 Cups of Coffee had Health Benefits... That's over 600 MGs of Caffeine, far passed 300 MGs.

Also, something to add; Tea, by volume, has more Caffeine than Coffee, but because of how much you use to make a cup, the end results is Coffee has more.

Chocolate not only has Caffeine in it, it's also addictive. In the true sense of the word.

I still stand by my text that the "Average" Energy drink does NOT contain 200+ MGS of Caffeine, and from what I'm seeing, the only ones that do, aren't 8 ounces, and aren't average at all and have warnings on them.

gore Wrote:So what if you gorge on Pot? There is no way to humanly OD, and it also prevents some diseases.

Your lungs aren't going to be very happy.

Either way, good debate everyone. harepopcorn:

You can use a Vaporizer and not hurt your lungs now

actually, the avarage energy drink has 80-100 mg per 8oz can. but RockStar and Monster and such come in 16oz cans so it's 200mg for the 16oz can. Redline has 300mg for 8.4oz can.

Daylight Yet Unseen Wrote:actually, the avarage energy drink has 80-100 mg per 8oz can. but RockStar and Monster and such come in 16oz cans so it's 200mg for the 16oz can. Redline has 300mg for 8.4oz can.

That was basically my point. Most drinks don't have NEARLY that amount of Caffeine in them.

I think Daylight would agree with me that Energy Drinks are the new McDonalds Calories Topic; Back in the day people said a Big Mac had 1500 Calories or more (Well, they thought it and I heard it all the time anyway) and in reality, a Big Mac is about 500 Calories.

Just like people thought they had 1500 Calories, people think Energy drinks have almost lethal amounts of Caffeine. Look at it like this; If Red Bull had 300 MGs of Caffeine per 8 ounces like that guy thought it did.... How the FUCK would we drink that many and live?

Caffeine is hard to OD on in DRINK form; Like Coffee, Tea, and Pop / Energy Drinks, and even Energy Shots. Most ODs on Caffeine are generally from pills.

Caffeine makes you piss, and so you piss it out before you take too much. Also, close to Lethal levels would make you vomit up most of it to save your life. ODing on Caffeine would almost always require Pills or this:

On "1,000 Ways to Die" they had a girl on there who slammed like 8 or 10 Energy Drinks... And I mean the BIG ones. She weighed like 100 pounds.

She could handle all those drinks and was still alive until she went passed like 10. So if it takes 10 Energy Drinks to kill someone 100 pounds or so, how the hell is it dangerous to the rest of us?

gore Wrote:So what if you gorge on Pot? There is no way to humanly OD, and it also prevents some diseases.

And I didn't say "How do I find a drink with over 200 MGS?" I said to show me one of those "Average" Energy Drinks with that much Caffeine in it, and instead you said "Well if the can have 4 servings".... 4 Servings?

How is 4 Servings and 8 ounces as you said, 200 MGs? Why not just cut the "You look 400 pounds" shit and admit you're the only one who thinks what you do? Which is wrong.

I live near Detroit, I can't even FIND the drinks everyone here is posting. The "Most common Energy Drinks" I can find, are Monster, Rockstar, Full Throttle, Red Bull, No Fear, and once in a while Cocaine when the cans come around.

Jolt Cola isn't included because it was never intended as an Energy Drink, it's Hacker Beer. Any of the drinks I listed all have the same amount of Caffeine in them.

So, let's recap; First you said the average Energy Drink had 200+ MGS of Caffeine PER 8 OUNCES! Then you said the ones I should find to support your bullshit, were no name brand shit from Big Lots that have 4, FOUR Servings?

Nice try.

If you gorge on pot, you'll most likely destroy all your brain cells and become such a moron, you'll drink 10 energy drinks daily, and live a short life.


I don't know what will kill you first, heart attack from obesity, or heart attack from drinking your massive amounts of energy drinks.


And I'm not the only one that thinks what I do. Maybe in this forum considering there's a whole 4-6 people posting in it, and you and I are really the only ones debating about it. Daylight came in, and merely said she knows of an energy drink that has 300mg of caffeine. She knew it off hand.


She didn't have to "google" it. The point is, they are out there. Just because YOU only know of a few different energy drinks and that's all you can find, doesn't mean in other parts of the country there aren't 30 different drinks on the shelf. Sorry that you don't have much to choose from near luxurious Detroit.


And I'm sure you've done your fair share of gorging in your day. But anyways, there's no need to argue over it anymore. You THINK what you THINK, and I'll THINK what I THINK. Neither of us can convince the other, neither is fact, it's all based on opinion on what we've both read, and THINK we know. Fact of the matter is, we both drink energy drinks. One of us think it's safe to do so, and one of us thinks it's bad, yet keeps drinking them.

Oh, and if took only 10 to kill her, then whoever posted that death by caffeine site that said you would have to drink like 600 red bulls to kill you, was inaccurate as fuck. Or that television show was. That's a big difference from 10, to 600. That just proves that many different sources will say many different things, and not everyone is going to believe the same one regardless. Oh well.


Now, what pisses me off? Working with 40 morons who don't know basic math and have to ask a million fucking questions everyday.

it's not really that i don't debate, i just like making my arguments short and sweet. i'm a marketing major so i need to convince people in 8 words or less!! that's the standard length for a tagline.

Ahhh okay gotcha. Nice.

Trioxin149 Wrote:If you gorge on pot, you'll most likely destroy all your brain cells and become such a moron, you'll drink 10 energy drinks daily, and live a short life.


I don't know what will kill you first, heart attack from obesity, or heart attack from drinking your massive amounts of energy drinks.


And I'm not the only one that thinks what I do. Maybe in this forum considering there's a whole 4-6 people posting in it, and you and I are really the only ones debating about it. Daylight came in, and merely said she knows of an energy drink that has 300mg of caffeine. She knew it off hand.


She didn't have to "google" it. The point is, they are out there. Just because YOU only know of a few different energy drinks and that's all you can find, doesn't mean in other parts of the country there aren't 30 different drinks on the shelf. Sorry that you don't have much to choose from near luxurious Detroit.


And I'm sure you've done your fair share of gorging in your day. But anyways, there's no need to argue over it anymore. You THINK what you THINK, and I'll THINK what I THINK. Neither of us can convince the other, neither is fact, it's all based on opinion on what we've both read, and THINK we know. Fact of the matter is, we both drink energy drinks. One of us think it's safe to do so, and one of us thinks it's bad, yet keeps drinking them.

Oh, and if took only 10 to kill her, then whoever posted that death by caffeine site that said you would have to drink like 600 red bulls to kill you, was inaccurate as fuck. Or that television show was. That's a big difference from 10, to 600. That just proves that many different sources will say many different things, and not everyone is going to believe the same one regardless. Oh well.


Now, what pisses me off? Working with 40 morons who don't know basic math and have to ask a million fucking questions everyday.

The Caffeine isn't what kills you in those. If you didn't have your head up your ass calling me fat and guessing my weight and almost tripling it, you'd probably know Energy Drinks have WAY more than Caffeine in it and that site says "Death by Caffeine". Death by Caffeine means the Caffeine needed to kill you. It doesn't add in the other shit in those drinks, and it even says that ON THAT PAGE.

And again, Pot does NOT kill brain cells. It doesn't make you stupid. That's a myth that no scientist even thinks anymore.

A Vaporizer takes care of the lungs from inhaling smoke, and thinking it makes you stupid shows who really is here.

If it made you stupid and overweight, call it by it's true name; Alcohol. I can't even think of one drug that WILL make you stupid.

And What I think, I can back up. What you think, you've said everything from "Well google this go shop here and the Mayo Clinic says this"....

When you couldn't just make anyone accept that, you decided to call me 400 pounds and say I should eat shit you think is good. The 115 or 120 year old guy that was living in the Bronx, said his diet was bread fried in fat back, and 3 gallons of Thunderbird wine a week...

This proves that trying to "Generalize" Health, is not only stupid, but isn't going to work.

Something that would kill you, like, I don't know, FACTS, would possibly give me a long life. Where something that would kill me... Like Polish food, might make you healthy.


Notice how you'd not look like a moron if you'd read the warning on that Caffeine page how "The Caffeine will kill you once you get to this number but the other ingredients would much faster", or, everything else you can't prove other than saying to go to a half assed cheap store or I think I know it all?

I know a lot of people who are vegetarian, or health nuts, and they all look like shit. I've seen Healthier Heroin Addicts.

well if you go to mypyramid.gov it'll tell you how much fat and carbs and stuff you need based on your lifestyle to be healthy.

an athlete eats 30,000 calories a day. most people need 1,500-2,000.
i'm a semi health freak. i watch what i eat and i work out. caffeine is my only vice.

"I know a lot of people who are vegetarian, or health nuts, and they all look like shit. I've seen Healthier Heroin Addicts"


This is true actually, i have seen some people that take the "eat healthy" thing way to far. And some people only eat raw meats period. And if you try to give them cooked meats and they actually will give in and try it. They become ill. I have seen this first hand. Ive seen some very sickly looking people that "Try" to be healthy. Anyway, im not trying to get involved in this debate/argument or whatever this has turned into. But just wanted to mention that.

um, yeah. you CAN'T eat raw meat. don't they know how bad that is for you?! when you cook meat you kill harmful bacteria and if you eat raw or undercooked meat you'll be so sick you won't be able to get up.